It’s all in the flow: musings on trance and energy psychology

Robert Schwarz, PsyD • March 27, 2024

What is the role of hypnosis and trance in energy psychology? As someone who has spent over 20 years working with Ericksonian hypnosis I thought I would explore these questions.  Let's begin with a definition of the mind.

What is the mind?

I lean heavily on interpersonal neurobiologist Dan Siegel’s definition of the mind: that part of us that controls the flow of information and energy over time. Psychotherapy of any sort, including energy psychology-based approaches, seeks to shift that flow of energy and information toward more functional and integrated flows. Milton Erickson recognized this when he defined define psychotherapy as a re-association of “inner learnings”; in other words, a change of the flow of information and energy over time. 


The emphasis on flow also fits very well with concepts of health and illness in Chinese Traditional Medicine and Qigong. In these traditions, illnesses are seen as a block in the flow of energy and health is related to a balanced flow of energy.

 

 

What is trance? Does trance play a role in energy psychology approaches?

My preferred definition of trance comes from Ronald Shor. Trance, or an altered state of consciousness, occurs when a person’s usual generalized reality orientation or GRO is weakened or diminished and a special reality orientation (SRO) is built up. What is the usual GRO? It is the mind’s habitual pattern flow of information and energy. An SRO is a special or unusual pattern of information and energy flow. The greater the disruption of GRO the more “altered” one feels. A chemical version of this is getting high on a drug.  Architecture can also create an SRO. Think about the great cathedrals that are designed to create an altered state of consciousness so that a person feels more connected to Spirit. In this formulation, trance rarely looks like the Svengali-like deep stupor often depicted in movies.


From an Ericksonian perspective, we go in and out of multiple, different coherent and repeatable trance states throughout the day. Hopefully, the flow of information and energy of each state is well suited to the tasks we have to perform at each point.   


Furthermore, each of our minds has ruts or limitations in the flow so that we never go to certain places or end up in the kind of flow that does not work (or at least, not too often). Gary Craig called this the writings on our walls. The bottom line is that it appears that energy psychology, Chinese medicine, Ericksonian hypnosis and interpersonal neurobiology are all taking about the same thing. 

 

 

How is trance helpful? 

Trance is an altered state; a special or unusual pattern of information and energy flow. It creates a softening or lessening of stuck patterns that hopefully brings opportunities for new and healthier patterns of information and energy flow.

 

Does the ritual of using an energy psychology technique like tapping or TAT create trance?

If we accept the more subtle and fluid definition of trance outlined above, then my answer is yes – at least to some extent. Asking somewhat unusual questions or guiding attention in unusual ways can also create an altered state. If we are talking about a therapeutic relationship, there are subtle and not so subtle suggestions communicated by the confidence of the therapist; and there are subtle and not subtle influences that flow from the authenticity and presence of the therapist. Martin Orne called these “demand characteristics”.


I would even say that when we do Tapas Acupressure Technique, Thought Field Therapy, Emotional Freedom Techniques, Advanced Integrative Therapy or other energy psychology approaches on ourselves from a position of gentle non-judgment we are changing the relationship we have with ourselves. That, by definition, is a change of the flow of information and energy (aka trance). 


The bottom line: there are multiple variables moving in us all the time, and many different variables can change our flow of information and energy, including our relationship with others, with ourselves and the stimulation of our energy systems

 

 

Is activation of the energy system a major active ingredient in energy psychology?

This is an important question. The short answer is that from a scientific perspective, there is some data suggesting that adding meridian stimulation creates more change than cognitive interventions alone. There have been several studies and even a meta-analysis that supports the idea that the use of acupoints in tapping is an active ingredient. A lot more research needs to be done. 


Clinically, I would say yes, something more is going on. If nothing else, the jiggling of the energy system appears to loosen the blocks and allows for natural healing in the bodymind. If you have ever watched the way Ernest Rossi does trance work, it is more like gently jiggling the system and allowing natural healing to occur. To me, “pure energy psychology work” has a different feel than “pure hypnotic work”. But even that is a strange, if not false, distinction. How the practitioner focuses awareness by asking certain questions or making certain reframes is all part of good clinical work that transcends both models. The entire concept of presence and the response to presence quickly merges into the concept of interpersonal trance. And we have not even discussed the ideas of interaction between the energy fields of each person. In addition, I have only slightly touched on the tension between offering suggestions or reframes to clients (yang) versus just gently nudging the system so the blocks release and the natural healing flow is restored (yin).


Perhaps I have answered something for you. Or perhaps I have raised more questions than you had when you began. Or, maybe some different ideas are floating into your mind at this point. Why not take a moment and just enjoy going deeper into the experience? 



Author

Robert Schwarz, PsyD, DCEP, has been a licensed psychologist for over 33 years. He serves as ACEP's executive director. Bob has trained therapists internationally on trauma treatment, panic and anxiety, energy psychology. He has authored 3 books, including: Tools for Transforming Trauma, PTSD: A Clinician’s Guide and We’re No Fun Anymore: Guiding Couples to a Joy Filled Marriage Through the Power of Play, as well as numerous articles and papers including "Energy psychology as a polyvagal intervention for trauma."


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By Lori Chortkoff Hops • October 14, 2026
December 1961 - September 2026 Personal reflections by Lori Chortkoff Hops, PhD, DCEP, Former ACEP President Shockingly, we lost a great one. Teacher extraordinaire. Multitalented healer. Introspective thinker. Generously hearted. Craig Weiner lived life with gusto, whether vibing with international creative expressions of formal and street art or cherishing exotic cuisine, deftly climbing rocky heights, or sunset kayaking with whales in the sound. Craig was ever curious for the next adventure, delighted with spontaneous encounters with new and familiar souls and animals, sounds and colors. Holding a razor-sharp memory, Craig could easily quote an apt phrase, whether common or obscure, at a moment's notice , highlighting one of his many areas of expertise or fascination. How strange indeed to be left with the echoes of silence his memory traces through our collective grief. Only months before his passing from the physical form, Craig and his beloved wife and partner, Alina Frank , were newly settling into their home in sunny Mexico, far from their home of many years in the lush wetlands of the Pacific Northwest. In true Craig style, he befriended many people right away, while sharing his antics with those at home through his active social media sites. Many relished his detailed narratives with videos from stunning desert, sea, mountain, and waters of the world. Craig greeted people with glee, with his trusted dog Bibi (aka Habibi Bear) in tow. In true Craig fashion, Bibi sometimes was carried and worn like a scarf, riding on the back of Craig's neck. Craig gave unceasingly from his soul for the well-being of all, leaving an immeasurable impact on the field of energy healing. His accomplishments are broad and deep, and can be found listed on his website . In his brief time with us, though he accomplished much, he left many dreams unrealized. It is up to us to find our way to extend what we loved best about Craig, and make it happen with him in mind. Beyond his vast curricula of knowledge and products and classes, I was most touched by Craig's unceasing commitment to excellence, deeply sharing authentically from his heart moments of pain and joy, his snappy sense of humor, and his infectious smile with a hearty laugh asking us to meet his mood with our own joy. Craig's life is honored with two memorial services, in his two homes, with beloved friends and family. And we will all be able to track Craig's eternal spirit when we hear the splash of sea life, see silver light dancing on the water, and feel the warmth of love in laughing eyes, no matter the species. You can learn more about Craig's life story and work in his own words through this podcast interview with me . If you wish to donate to a charity in Craig Weiner's name, his wife Alina Frank has kindly requested choosing Jovenes Adelante . Jóvenes Adelante AC is a Mexican Donataria Autorizada; JA is a 501 (c) (3) non profit. All financial contributions are tax deductible. About the Autor Lori Chortkoff Hops, PhD, DCEP is a licensed psychologist in Westlake Village, California, USA. She is certified in Comprehensive Energy Psychology and Logosynthesis. Lori is a past ACEP president and Reiki master. Learn more about Lori at www.drlorihops.com . Lori teaches online intuition classes and consultation. Check out her podcast Healing Tips from the Heart: Helpers, Healers and Guides.
By Dawn Eidelman • October 14, 2026
Widening the Circle: The Ripple Effect (Part 1 of 3) 
By Amy Frost • October 14, 2026
When people hear the words humanitarian work, they may imagine traveling across the world to respond to a war, natural disaster, or humanitarian crisis. That work matters enormously. But over many years of working with veterans, military families, first responders, community leaders, and the ACEP Humanitarian Committee, I have learned something equally important: You do not have to travel across the world to change the world. You can begin with the community right in front of you. I grew up in a military family. I was born on an Air Force base. My uncle, a Navy pilot, died in a plane crash when I was very young. Years later, my husband Tom died during Desert Storm, and the life I thought I had mapped out suddenly disappeared. At the time, I had a successful career with the Department of Defense. I had an MBA. I knew how to organize, manage, execute, and get things done. Grief didn't particularly care. Eventually, my own search for healing led me to earn a master's degree in spiritual psychology. Over time, what began as my own journey became a calling to serve veterans and their families—and, increasingly, the many people who spend their lives serving others. Build Community Before the Crisis One of the most important lessons I have learned about humanitarian work is surprisingly simple: Don't just run in to help. Build relationships first. Years ago, through ACEP's humanitarian work, Suzanne Connolly, Dr. Kristin Miller, and I became involved in developing what evolved into a Veteran-to-Veteran project in Las Vegas. We didn't simply arrive with a program and tell veterans what we thought they needed. We reached out to people already trusted within the veteran community—leaders connected with the VA, Nevada veterans' services, veteran groups, and other community organizations. We listened. We built relationships and earned their buy-in. Then we introduced tools from Thought Field Therapy and energy psychology that they could use themselves and share within the circles where they already had trust. My job was not to become the center of the system. My job was to help strengthen the system that was already there. Our final formal training took place in April 2017. Six months later, on October 1, Las Vegas experienced a devastating mass shooting.  Suddenly, the relationships we had spent years cultivating mattered in ways none of us could have anticipated. I didn't have to figure out how to reach an entire traumatized city. The network already existed. I could reach the leaders I knew, support them, and help them support their own communities. Build community before the crisis. When something happens, you won't be starting from zero. The Ripples Create More Ripples Today, I continue working with veterans and their families throughout Las Vegas. I support the Rebel Vets community at UNLV when they need me, and I facilitate a monthly gathering at the City of North Las Vegas Veterans & Community Resource Center. We deliberately call it Women's Fun Day . Why? Because if we called it Suicide Prevention, a lot of people who need connection might never walk through the door. Women veterans come, but so do spouses, adult children, caregivers, and community supporters. We talk. We laugh. We practice something simple—a breathing technique, tapping, another self-regulation tool. Sometimes I support them. Sometimes they support me. And then something wonderful happens: people take what they learn and carry it somewhere else. One veteran I've known for years is now in pastry school and mentoring younger people there. She is sharing some of the practices she has learned with the young people she encounters. Others have created simple “walk and talk” gatherings in local parks or brought self-care practices into coffee shops and community groups. This is how humanitarian work grows: the ripples create more ripples. It doesn't always require a large grant, a formal program, or an airplane ticket. Sometimes it begins with a walk. Sometimes with coffee. Sometimes with one person asking another person, How are you, really? Hope Providers Need Hope, Too There is another part of humanitarian work that I believe we need to talk about much more openly. I call it providing hope for the hope providers . The people who spend their lives helping others—clinicians, first responders, veterans, caregivers, nonprofit leaders, teachers, humanitarians—can become extraordinarily good at appearing fine. They are often the people everyone else depends upon. That can make it very difficult for them to say, I need help. I think about suicide prevention through that wider lens. Long before someone reaches the most visible point of crisis, something may be disappearing mentally, emotionally, or spiritually. Someone may continue running an organization, caring for a family, or serving a community while quietly running out of resources themselves. I know something about this personally. After my husband died, there were moments when I did not want to be here. I had to find my own way through that terrain. Years later, during the aftermath of the Las Vegas shooting, my own grief resurfaced. I had spent years learning about self-care and teaching it to other people. But I discovered another layer underneath all my competence and activity. I needed to learn how to receive care, too. If we want people to remain in the work for the long haul, we have to support the people doing the supporting. Why ACEP Matters to Me This is one reason ACEP has become so important in my life. ACEP gives me community. It gives me people with whom I can have conversations I don't get to have anywhere else. It gives me trusted resources and colleagues who understand this work from the inside. Through ACEP's Humanitarian Committee and our conferences, I have met people who became dear friends—and then became collaborators in doing good in the world. We support one another. We challenge one another. We remind one another to practice the very things we teach. And ACEP's humanitarian work has never been only about what one committee accomplishes. Its real power lies in what happens when someone gets an idea, finds a few kindred spirits, learns useful tools, and takes them home. One person mentors another. One project becomes another. One community develops its own capacity to respond. Eventually, we don't even know where all the ripples have traveled. That is a good thing. Start Where You Are So what would I say to someone who feels called to humanitarian work but doesn't know where to begin? Start where you are. Find something you genuinely care about. Find the people already doing the work and listen to them. Learn a few practices that can help people regulate stress and reconnect with themselves and one another. Make those practices simple and accessible. Find collaborators. Take care of yourself while you are doing it. And then give other people permission to take what works and make it their own. You do not have to do everything. You are not supposed to. Maybe your contribution is traveling to a community in crisis. Maybe it is supporting the people who do. Maybe it is mentoring one young practitioner, gathering veterans for coffee, teaching a breathing technique, checking on a caregiver, or simply believing in someone who has forgotten how to believe in themselves. Make it simple. Make it fun. Do what you're here to do. Then let the ripples travel. Because perhaps that is the deepest lesson humanitarian work has taught me: we are not here to rescue one another. We are here to build communities strong enough that we can care for one another. About the Author Amy Frost, MBA, MA Spiritual Psychology, is an educator, facilitator, trainer, coach, writer, and longtime humanitarian whose work has included veterans, military families, first responders, community servants, and those who support them. A longtime member of ACEP's Humanitarian Committee and ACEP's 2018 Humanitarian of the Year, Amy has spent decades developing community-based approaches to resilience, self-care, peer support, and humanitarian service. Image by qimono from Pixabay
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